Pre Fader Options
Please consider a pre/post DSP option for the pre send (i.e. pre/post compression, gate, eq).
It is much easier to get greater gain before feedback in monitors when the aux send taps the signal before the compression and gate. This is a very practical real world application.
Added in Master Fader 2.0
This is very good news but you're missing a trick because you lose EQ when you go pre DSP, it would be better still if you could route an aux from post EQ but pre Dynamics
After stereo linking on channels, pre/post DSP switch on every channel would make this console unbeatable in its size and $ range!
Fingers crossed! :)
Jesper Berg commented
Gr8. Looking forward to the update
Gory Smelley commented
What does that mean? In Master Fader V2?
EQ and gate is sort of OK in the auxes, but compression in monitor auxes is a no-go for live mixing!
an option to keep the auxes un-comped is a must-have here; i have to use splitter cables and two channels per vocalist until this is fixed.
Max Monarch commented
Delay on outputs for speaker zoning! Copy& Paste function. Group bussing, more overall routing options. Matrix ouputs.
Mackie; any progress update information?
I emailed Mackie, this was the reply:
Thanks for the feedback. This is definitely a highly requested feature and is at the top of our list. It is most definitely not a hardware limitation and we can add this flexibility in an upcoming release.
Why is this not the number one request? This is not a feature, it is a FLAW!
I to agree on AUX's being dry aswell. Did anyone get any answers regarding this request?
especially this question, "Please be honest to your customers...... Is this a firmware fixable issue or is this a flaw in the hardware that CANNOT be fixed? "
MACKIE, I will not buy this product unless it's answered. if it's capable i'd purchase and wait till the update came out but if i can't ill keep researching other options.
Richard Lawrence commented
Yep, I returned the DL1608. I wanted to love it but seriously? POST EQ / COMP Aux Sends????!!!
I will reallocate my Fed Reserve Notes for the Behringer / MIDAS Xi16 due to be released next quarter. Check it out, they got it right http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/iX16.aspx
Richard Lawrence commented
Please be honest to your customers...... Is this a firmware fixable issue or is this a flaw in the hardware that CANNOT be fixed?
We have a right to know. I still have a couple weeks return window on this.
Really!!!!!???? Who designed these post EQ sends and thought, "sure, our customers will be ok with this...."
I was mixing a band last night and the singer kept complaining that her monitor mix was getting lower and lower..... Considering the AUX's are POST compressors, that was the problem. God, was I embarrassed. PLEASE FIX OR COME CLEAN ON THIS NOW!!!!!!
Roger BEAR Caissie commented
yes a must those auxes need to be pre DSP to be used as monitor sends
PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE..PLEASE...PLEASE add this feature. Pre Fader / Pre EQ / Pre Everything just like Wle said. I really like this product. It is tough enough to do FOH and Monitor world at the same time while trying to please a pickey singer without the proper tools.
Thank you for listening
Mike boltz commented
This is a must. I don't need vintage compressors I need a mixer with logical function...I hope this can be resolved soon or a return is in my near future.
Yes , I agree..
AUX sends should be a choice, pre or post and NOT GLOBAL.
You can't tell me that it is not possible.
Our company builds GUI's for symetrix, that the IPAD controls remotely. FROM SCRATCH. we can do it, why can't you ?
Yamaha LS9 / M7cl -- works flawlessly, GUI on PC..
Presonus SL 16.4.2 works great, has the SAME FLAW as this.
AUX are PRE or POST, but GLOBAL... Sheesh...WHY ?
Mackie, you guys build MIXERS for god sake. What is the problem here ? DSP load ?
I would pay 100 dollars more for the added DSP.. With it you could do independant EQ / COMP / Effects per channel to AUX sends also.. Independant mix per AUX send..
Like a true FOH, split to Monitor board setup.
Making this a truly sophisticated, piece of hardware / software / wireless control..
Even for IEM (in ear monitors) setups this is TRULY NEEDED..
Let me ask you this.. The members at MACKIE that are band members, what do they say ? You know the answer already..
I like it now, won't own it, 'till it's fixed, and have owned and still own Mackie products.. GET IT RIGHT... I will buy in... But NOT untill this time..
I can see this is a platform for making Mackie some money, I know they are going to sell PLUGINS.. I can smell it.. Which is not a bad thing.
But make it right from the thought perspective, of the engineers that will talk their customers into buying it.. This is where the sales happen.
Come on guys,, we BELIEVE in you, just make the perfect device that you yourselves, would be proud to compete with the largest companies out there in a ENGINEERING CONTEST.. Or GO HOME.
Shawn Collick commented
Can this problem be fixed with just a software update? Or would this require a hardware revision? I am waiting for this to be resolved before I purchase the DL1608. If I take this major issue out of the equation, this is an amazing product! I believe this issue should be priority number one for the DL1608.
This is needed. Can't do FOH and Monitors at the same time on this board with the DSP set at Post. Once you change the EQ in the channel for FOH, it also changes it on the monitors. Really sucks. I hope they make the change on Master Fader 1.4. For now, I disable the EQ, Compressor, Gate and only use reverb and delay. At least the EFX is not post and on the aux sends. No use having an EQ if you can't use it.
What kind of sound engineer would design a mixer with DSP set as POST. They should know that Aux sends should always be Pre Fader / Pre EQ / Pre Everything except for the input gain.
More important is to have the channel strip EQ section pre DSP for the Aux sends. I had two of these boards and returned one. The one I have is being used for smaller events and i don't use any of the DSP (EQ, Compressor, Limiter) because any changes at FOH will change the Aux sends. Not a good thing if monitors are rung out for max gain before feedback and some traveling FOH engineer decides to kick up 400Hz, 500Hz and 1K on multiple mics in the mains and monitors begin to feedback. Traveling sound engineer will wonder what's going on with the monitors. Not to mention loosing compression drivers.
As someone mentioned below, this is not ready for pro sound work. Maybe good for a small coffee shop band.
Can you program a button to allow Pre/Post DSP for all Aux sends.
Can you aslo update the 31 band eq, frequency 150Hz to industry standard 160Hz
The last s/w, firmware update had some interesting modifications that are not really needed for FOH systems.