Add Break Switch
Many Mackie mixer's have a Break Switch making it easy to mute the mains and returns in between sets. In Master Fader, the break switch could mute all inputs and returns leaving only the iPad channel or a pair of user selectable input channels.
Added as Mute Groups in Master Fader 2.0
By adding options that have an easy work around within the existing system you are getting away from the primary concept of the DL being easy to use. I sold my 01v96 for my DL and that thing had every possible mixer option ( apart from a break switch) and that was a nightmare to use IGT ( in gig time)
Be honest how long does it take you to mute 16 channels, between 8-14 seconds? If you are in that much of a hurry just mute vox channels maybe 4-6 seconds?!
Joe Bassman commented
A pair of user selectable channels would be great!! I play music in between sets via Apple Air-Port Airplay. That is just super-awesome!
Tom Coryell commented
I like the idea of a global mute, you can stop feedback and then open the mains and auxes one at a time to isolate. Mute groups mentioned could do this easily, or a soft mute button.
Eugene Heman commented
Make a mute snapshot. It is the fastest way to do
THis will save you around 9 seconds, the time it will take you to run your finger across the channel mute/on button
what is a Break Switch. Ish't that called mute groups with 'safe' channels in the professional world
Charlie Smith commented
You can already do this with a snapshot. Just mute the channels that you want to turn off during the break, and save it as a snapshot called 'Break'. Just make sure you save your current settings as a different snapshot before you recall the "Break" snapshot so that you can recall it when the break is over.
A couple mute groups would be killer!! Maybe located over your main fader? Looks like enough room for two buttons. Having a couple would be really helpful. For me, this means a customizable break switch and a master FX mute!
Jon Balslev commented
If you have a feedback problem it would be nice with a mute all button to kill the feedback. You never know if the feedback comes from the mains or the aux.
This is a great idea and I hope it can be integrated asap.
Arthur Fisher commented
The "soft break switch that can be customized" idea is absolutely the best for me. I deal with weddings and corporate events, where I often have to leave one open mic, or perhaps one mic and the break music on low volume.
As a second option, just make it so you can slide your finger across the mute buttons to activate many at once, instead of have to tap on each mute button individually.
Dan Kury commented
Zip has it !!!!
could not have said it better :)
.. A "customizable BREAK switch. !!
In the settings page their would be a block matrix similar to the recall safe grid.
default setting is "Ipad on, all else muted". custom setting allows any variation of mutes.
orange button along the top somewhere. Maybe a 2 sec hold to activate.
Since I prefer to use my iphone sending music on airplay beaming to the airport express which cables to inputs 15/16,
this allows staying remote on the floor and x-fading to break music without running to stage.
Richie Moscola commented
yes one that doesn't mute the ipod though
Mute Groups would do it. It would be a simple and effective way to kill any channels you didn't want to be hot during a performance, for a break, or for whatever reason.
Mike Mullin commented
Wayne Connor commented
A very simple way to make sure you don't accidentally mute things is that when you press the mute indicator on the main screen, it goes to a second 'mute' screen with some buttons to toggle. From there you mute or unmute the items that you want, be it main outputs, break switch, group mute or whatever.
mike i get it now. yeah that makes more sense. i thought you meant creating sub mixes and being able to mute the sub mix. i do like your idea of mute groups. not muting groups.
this way if i want to have a mp3 player on channels 15 and 16 and maybe two mics still active i could do that and mute everything else.
its a little more advanced then just a break switch that may allow for a couple of channels to stay open just for music.
but here is what i think is a brilliant suggestion: listen up everyone and mackie too. there are going to be scenes. why not just just have a scene called break. then when you need it you can just recall whatever you want to be active or not. i just thought of this. set it up with all faders down except for the music channel.
the only big problems here that you have to make sure to store the mix you had set in order to go back to it. but i dont think that should be too hard. and you have to make sure that the levels are sett the same so that the music channel is consistent.
its a little more work but at least it should work.
@Yaz, I may have misunderstood you, but many digital mixers and some analog mixers implement the concept of a Mute Group that is different from muting a Group.
With Mute Groups, you have a number of Mute Group Switches (normally 4). You can assign any number of channels or outputs to one or more Mute Groups. When you press one of the Mute Switches, all channels and outputs assigned to that Mute Group will mute. Mute Groups are separate from Channel groups where a number of channels can be assigned to a Group fader.
Mute Groups can be very powerful and flexible. I've seen in this and other discussions where some want the Break switch would leave the iPad channel enabled, some want the Pastor channel to be enabled and others might want a stereo channel to be enabled when all others are muted. Implementing Mute Groups instead of one Break Switch would allow the user flexibility as to which channels and outputs to add to the "Break Switch".
Hope that makes sense and I didn't misunderstand you.
@mike. The problem with muting groups is that you'll have too many things to mute. A break switch gets everything at once. If you have a drum mix, a vocal mix, and than say guitar, bass, keys, horns on separate channels, than you have 6 different things to mute. And if this is the only option to mute then you are forced to set up groups to do the muting or you have to mute 16 individual channels.
But it would be nice to be able to mute a group and have a break switch. But all these options need to have some kind of confirmation to activate so you don't accidentally mute either everything or an entire group.